Hey all,

I saw this awhile ago, but didn't have my cam w/ me. I went back this weekend and got these pics. It's on a cliff along a creek edge probably about 20 feet up. I know there were indians in the immediate area due to a mound and arrowhead find. I don't think it would have been done in "modern times" The landower lived there his whole life and never knew it was there. What do you all think?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/bob--o/P1010343.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/bob--o/P1010345.jpg

Hey all,

I saw this awhile ago, but didn't have my cam w/ me. I went back this weekend and got these pics. It's on a cliff along a creek edge probably about 20 feet up. I know there were indians in the immediate area due to a mound and arrowhead find. I don't think it would have been done in "modern times" The landower lived there his whole life and never knew it was there. What do you all think?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/bob--o/P1010343.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/bob--o/P1010345.jpg

hey bob how did u run across that face in the wall thats one cool lookin face freaky if u didnt know its there

Theres an " H " right next to it. Is it carved in dirt?

Theres an " H " right next to it. Is it carved in dirt?

yeah man maybe it stands for head lol

yeah man maybe it stands for head lol

That's stupid, but funny. I don't care who you are!!! Good one smoke

almost looks like a JH

maybe they are trying to communicate with use haha

i have several bluffs on creek bends like that with pretty good sized caves dug into them on some. maybe someday i should go up there and see whats in there. hope theres not anything living in them

i have several bluffs on creek bends like that with pretty good sized caves dug into them on some. maybe someday i should go up there and see whats in there. hope theres not anything living in them

mountain lions and bob sats u never know there might even be a cave man in there haha

yea we have bobcats and even a couple sightings along with plenty of tracks from mountain lions around the area so i might not be so eager to check in them

i sure don't no if i'd be braslin enoungh 2 go in them, maybe if i were drunk lol

Where they at? I'll go in. I ain't skeered.

Seriously, I'd go check it out.

I feel like a RELIC today. ;) LOL!

Where they at? I'll go in. I ain't skeered.

Seriously, I'd go check it out.

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i'd go if i cud hold ure hand bob lol j/k

Well I wrote to a group who studies petroglyphs and such I found on line... the guy is from SIUC and sent me this reply:


Well, it is not Native American, Indians did not do face carvings like that in Illinois. My guess would be that it probably dates to the late nineteenth/early twentieth century and was done by someone living in the area who was of European descent. The reason I say it dates to that time period is that I have seen other carvings of faces, heads, etc., with initials and dates that date to that period. Before the invention of the car, people in the late 1800s to early 1900s recreated locally by having picnics, church socials, lodge outings, etc., in the country/woods and they often carved their initials, dates, and things like heads, faces, guns, barns, horses, boats, lodge symbols, Masonic symbols, etc,, on rock faces. All this pretty much stopped once Illinois had paved roads and automobile travel and people could get into cars and go places.


Another thing that makes me think your carving dates to ca. 1900 is that the rock face around it looks like it has a lot of vertical grooves that look like drill holes you would find in an old stone quarry. Do you know if this carving is in an old stone quarry?

Regards,

Mark Wagner

p.s. It is a neat carving, I appreciate your sending me a photo of it.

Bob - the general style of the carving leads me to think it may not be an artifact..it seems too modern... however who would know? the scrape marks near it also look a little bit newer than the surrounding stone...who would you contact to get it verified or examined I wonder? Someone from the university?

That's stupid, but funny. I don't care who you are!!! Good one smoke

lmao-/.............:D

Kinda neat Bob, It also looks to have an arrow running through the head at an angle / ear to temple area and stops at each face line, Hmmmmm See it?

yup, I see it....Kinda looks like there is another head above that head too...see it??? lol....

LOL, in the top pic? yes if its where the left side is dark where the eye would be...LOL, I THOUGHT THAT EARLIER too, reminds me of that face on saturn pic....LOL