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LaFore
10-10-2009, 16:06
:D:Dok everybody this is blue everybodys boy. My camera man and I were out to put up another deer stand and when I seen 2 does by the edge of the corn i jumped off and grabbed a slug from my pocket ( brenke) and put it in the camber and shot at the doe and she was jumping in the air fully alive and i hit her in the air adn she hit the ground fully dead so im think that a shotgun (rem.1100) not scoped with the little bb. at the end of the barrel is pretty good sence i have only shot a deer one tiem with a shot gun and that was my first deer and she was at 25 yards and dropped her in her tracts but anyother deer i have shto was with a rifle in MO for this being my 3rd deer and with a shotgun at 134 yards is pretty good and i hit the heart to by the way and my camera man was with me the whole time WITH OUT HIS CAMERA THAT HE FORGOT AT THE HOUSE! oh well lets hope he gets a deer tomorrow night or Monday good luck to all who have not shot a deer yet :D:D OH AND THATS WHY THEY CALL ME BLUE CUZ IM A GREAT SHOT LOL

MadadaM
10-10-2009, 16:42
I thought they called you Blue cause you miss all the time.:D

LaFore
10-10-2009, 17:30
nope they call me that cuz im a great shot most of the time besides when the sun was in my eyes when i shot the duck

MadadaM
10-10-2009, 17:32
You shot AT that duck........I had to shoot it before it flew away. Besides I think it was cloudy that day. :D

LaFore
10-10-2009, 19:22
nope i remember the sun right in my eyes

mdoc
10-10-2009, 20:30
Hmmm...???

scott huschle
10-10-2009, 20:44
Great job MY BOY BLUE!!!! Did you stand over the deer and sing "Dust In The Wind"???:rolleyes::D If you both keep up this great hunting footage, we should beable to watch alot of "White Snow"......LoL!!:eek::eek::D:D

Bob
10-11-2009, 06:16
Where's even a pic? You had a camera guy. Did he take any pics at all?

Good shootin Blue. Way to whack a doe.

PS It was overcast that day. I still have that bucket if you wanna mount the lake you shot!

carpsniper
10-11-2009, 08:42
...and my camera man was with me the whole time WITH OUT HIS CAMERA THAT HE FORGOT AT THE HOUSE!

If he doesn't have a camera, is he REALLY a camera man??? :p Hope you have even better luck today. :D

LaFore
10-11-2009, 18:14
yes we took a pictures that i will up load later on and we were going to set up another deer stand so we decided not to take the camera but we did take the shotgun which im glad we did but we never did have to set up that deer stand lol but we or should i say i gutted the deer fast for being my first deer to have gutted and hope everybody elsa does good tonight while youth hunting

Debunk
10-11-2009, 18:30
Was this to be part of the L & M Outdoors Hunting and Fishing show or the Red Green Show?

Good to hear you got a deer and everyone is safe. :D

jbvalentine
10-11-2009, 19:49
PS It was overcast that day. I still have that bucket if you wanna mount the lake you shot!


ROFLMAO - sorry Blue, but that is funny. I can't quit laughing:D:D:D

LaFore
10-11-2009, 21:39
it waas the L and M hunting show and were going to go try to get a double with bows tomorrow in the same stand that me and my buddy have been seeign deer lately but we are going to take camera and im gonna let him shoot first unless there are to then i will put camera on tirpod

fireduck
10-11-2009, 21:41
Im not going to be a crowd pleaser hear but hear are my thoughts.
134yards jumping in the air is not a good shot to take at a deer with any type of weapon. With no scope, no rifle sights, no gun rest and slinging a slug I say you got lucky and you will not get lucky next time.
If you are confident you can make a perfect shot than take it. If you are not confident, be patient a a better shot will present itself. Take your gun out and burn through some rounds and figure out what you best shots are.

Good luck the rest of the season.

LaFore
10-11-2009, 22:26
tht is totaly true but i aim high cuz i knew the slug would drop and put the sight in front of its chest knowing it would hit where i wanted it to like u would do a goose or duck or any moving animal so i knew how to shot at a moving animal and last year i shot my buck moving full speed lol and hit the heart

LaFore
10-11-2009, 22:28
but im not saying either that im the best shot in the world but i know that im not the worst shot either but i kknow wat my limit is and if i was not confortnable i would not have shot but i shto and i knew i would hit where i aim

DShafer99
10-12-2009, 10:05
I was waiting for someone to chime in on this anf Fireduck did it. I didnt want to be a party pooper either but you have to know when to shoot and when to pass. Not a smart OR ethical shot!!!!

I shoot a H&R Slugmaster (fully rifled) with Hornady slugs (0" drop at 150 yards when 2.7" high at 25 yards) and I will never shoot a deer over 150 yards. When they r moving, I never fire no matter how close....

LaFore
10-12-2009, 11:12
well i know my limits and how i shot adn that it may not have been an ethical shot for u but for my this would not be the first deer tht i have shot at moving and i was confortable taking the shot so i shot and it was right where i thought it would go. down in texas when we went hog hunting i shot a hog on the run at 35 yards adn killed it so i know wat my limits are but mine might be different than your and i coud also say that a standing shot would not be ethical wat if you hit it in the shoulder and wounded it? would that not be the same thing as takign a movign shot on an animal and wounding it? so wat you would shoot at and wat i would shot at would be total different and if you would not shoot an movign animal then i guess you would only shoot sitting ducks and geese on water right?

LaFore
10-12-2009, 11:13
you have to remember to that im not saying your wrong on an ethical shot but you have to know wat your limits are all the way around and wat you are conoftale with shooting in this case i knew i could get the job done and i did

DShafer99
10-12-2009, 12:38
Im not trying to start an argument, in my opinion I feel that 135 yards is too far of a shot with no scope and a smooth barrel. add in the fact that the deer was jumping/moving. NO WAY!

and we r talking about deer here and not waterfowl hunting. Completely different story when talking about duck hunting with "shot pellets" and not a slug!

DShafer99
10-12-2009, 12:39
What does everyone else think about this?

(and LaFore, im not tryin to take away anything from you harvesting that animal because its a job well done, i just have mixed emotions about it)

LaFore
10-12-2009, 12:45
yes i agree with you and i was just saying my feelings about it and what i felt and yes what does everybody elsa think about this ?

flatlander
10-12-2009, 13:02
IMO
BTK is on the bulls eye.

From the sound of your post's you have got lucky a few times, yes lucky.
When (not if) you take one of those shot's and have to see a animal suffer before expiring because of the risky shot you took maybe you will see the error of your ways.
Hopefully it will hit you why shot's like your bragging about taking shouldn't have been taken.

fireduck
10-12-2009, 13:14
You refer to shooting waterfowl and shooting deer being similar. I want you to know and understand it is two different ball games. Tho totaly different disaplins.
You shoot deer, weather it be with a bow or a gun, with a single projectile. That means one chunk of lead is shot down range at the deer.
Waterfowl are shot with a shot shell. You shoot a pattern of 50-100 shot depending on the size shot and length of shell.

Since you are participating in the youth season I understand you are a young man. Please dont take any of the information givin in the wrong way. Everybody is just trying to help out in a positive way.
We all still have lots to learn. Ant that is all I got to say about that;)

skin290
10-12-2009, 13:41
"at the end of the barrel is pretty good sence i have only shot a deer one tiem with a shot gun and that was my first deer and she was at 25 yards and dropped her in her tracts"

I don't think they make a shotgun with rifled barrel and good scope that even a crack military sniper should feel comfortable shooting at a jumping/running deer at 135 yds. So no, you should not try the shot with a smoothbore, beaded sight shotgun at that range and those conditions. We all get lucky once in a while.

Have you ever even shot it past 100 when sighting it in??? If so, what were the groups?

LaFore
10-12-2009, 14:30
i know how it feels when you wound an animal i wounded a doe last year but i got lucky and she made it through the year and im still seeing her adn i dont usually shoot shotguns but i do shot rifles and bird shot out of shot guns a lot so i shoot of a hundred yards with rifles and past 100 yards i have to start to aim him and thats how i knew tht i should aim high with a shoot gun and i agree with you all and will take the next shot in to thought and im sure alot of other people not just me have made a lucky shot like this right? but i have seen my dad drop a deer at 275 yards with a rifle but tht is not a shotgun and i know for a fact tht the new long-range shot guns can make a 100 yard shot easily but you cant tell me that you have never taken a riskey shot befor

LaFore
10-12-2009, 14:31
and i think this is the most commeted on thread in the bigdoe contest but i would like to keep hearign about wat others have to say

DetectDave
10-12-2009, 14:50
"but you cant tell me that you have never taken a riskey shot befor".

That is exactly what I am telling you and what I have taught my son and many cops that I trained. Never take a risky shot. If it's risky, why take it and run the risk of sending a 1oz chunk of lead lofting down range to end up who knows where. Rule #1...Be sure of your target and what's beyond it. I think you have a good idea here asking for opinions as I'm sure you will get many with similar responses.

FCub-man
10-12-2009, 14:57
I wouldn't usually comment on a thread like this, LaFore, but since you ask ... my first thoughts when reading this was one of 2 things:

1. It is something of a 'I caught a fish THIS BIG' story where the facts are suspect, or

2. It was a VERY LUCKY shot.

No offense, but you asked what we thought.

skin290
10-12-2009, 15:10
i know how it feels when you wound an animal i wounded a doe last year but i got lucky and she made it through the year and im still seeing her adn i dont usually shoot shotguns but i do shot rifles and bird shot out of shot guns a lot so i shoot of a hundred yards with rifles and past 100 yards i have to start to aim him and thats how i knew tht i should aim high with a shoot gun and i agree with you all and will take the next shot in to thought and im sure alot of other people not just me have made a lucky shot like this right? but i have seen my dad drop a deer at 275 yards with a rifle but tht is not a shotgun and i know for a fact tht the new long-range shot guns can make a 100 yard shot easily but you cant tell me that you have never taken a riskey shot befor

Of course, I think most with an IQ over 60 know to "aim high" for longer range. Look at what is in red. You had no "real" idea what was going to happen, you just got lucky, as in 1:30 chance lucky. IMO, would NOT be bragging about it.

I do not take the shot (on a deer) if it is risky.

You had no statistical idea where that slug was going by your account. (drop, grouping, etc.) Think about it.

flatlander
10-12-2009, 16:25
LaFore

I hope you understand we are not trying to make you look bad just trying to help a young hunter learn and point out what most would consider a bad or unethical shot.
Personally I am hoping this all will get you to think a little longer before making another similar shot at a moving/jumping animal.

Everyone has there own standards &/or ethics you just need to learn and decide where/what yours are. ;) :)

fireduck
10-12-2009, 16:28
You are now refrencing shooting a shotgun and shooting a rifle as being similar when indeed they are totaly different especially at extended ranges.
A shotgun slug and a rifle bullet perform a lot different.

I recomend shooting you shotgun slugs at 50 yards, get good at that range and limit your shots while hunting at no farther than 50 yards.
Be paitent and you will get good shots within 50 yards and have some good video footage of your hunts. Anything further that that doesnt make for good video.

LaFore
10-12-2009, 19:42
i never once said tht rifle bullets and slugs are the sam they are totaly different in size, shape, and entry and exit wounds

carpsniper
10-12-2009, 21:59
i never once said tht rifle bullets and slugs are the sam they are totaly different in size, shape, and entry and exit wounds

...and flight characteristics.

Kodi, these guys oppinions are spot on. They have many many years of experience with shooting and hunting. Please listen to them and learn from their advice. We are all behind you and want to see you succeed with your dream.
Your shot was a great one. But it was also an extremely lucky one. To prove it to yourself, take a paper plate, put it up at 134 yards and put three slugs from that gun into the plate. If I were a betting man, I would wager a good deal of money that you won't put 3 for 3 on the plate at 134 yards from a smooth bore shotgun with rifled slugs. I would also make the comment that I would be impressed if you hit it 1 out of 3.
I'll leave you with one more thing, a good hunter gets as close as possible to take their prey. Getting close is the challenge.

lazy coyote
10-12-2009, 23:06
great story lafore. my first deer was a crazy shot too. i was about to get out of my deer stand to quit for the morning and i took my boots off to get some rocks out of them and i saw huge 53 point buck running in a wheat field doing back flips off of bails of straw and i didnt have time to pick up my gun that i had laid on the platform of my deer stand so i kicked the barrel towards the buck and pulled the trigger with my toe. killed it in mid back flip, with a perfect shot right in the eye (where i aimed) it was 612 yards away.

geez kid learn how to stretch the truth a little better.

Full Draw
10-12-2009, 23:07
When I was 17, it was my 2nd hear of hunting. On opening day of gun season I shot a 130'' 8 pointer at 118 on the trot. I am very happy I took this deer...BUT

I would never take this shot again. I realize how lucky I was, and what a bad shot this was to take. I am a far better shot now, have a better setup, with much more practice, and I would not even think about that shot. As I matured as a person and a hunter I realize this.

I practice out to 125 yards with my shotgun. My max shot is 100 yards in good conditions. I have shot at 100 yards a few dozen times and have after dozens of practice shots, I have a 4 nch group. Even still, I will only shoot this if the deer is calm and still, I have a clear shot, and I am using some type of rest.

Good job on the meat in the freezer, You are doing the right thing to make yourself a better hunter by taking constructive criticism.

Bob
10-13-2009, 07:22
I just wish the camera guy was working and we could have seen it... then judged it...

gretchensteele
10-13-2009, 07:40
I just wish the camera guy was working and we could have seen it... then judged it...yep.. that would be helpful..

LaFore
10-13-2009, 18:46
and for lazy coyto this is no lie if you would liek i will show you the exact place i shot the deer from and then show you where hte deer was and you cna range it and im not gonna lie about hunting at all and why do you think im joking with this whole thing? im not so you can take bakc that whole story of yours

Birdhunter1
10-13-2009, 18:51
Personally I find a 134 yards jumping deer straight through the heart bead sight highly unlikely.. but a fired bullet has to land somewhere and while some can say what they want it's your story, your deer and your memory.

On another note I don't think you are any better shot because you were able to do this, I don't think you are any worse of a shot.

Big Muddy Outfitters
10-13-2009, 20:55
I can't belive how many hunters still deer hunt with shot barrels,no sights? 30 inch full choke barrels with a bead sight. They do make slug barrles with sights or scope mounts. It should be in the rules & regs. slug barrel only..

Debunk
10-13-2009, 21:10
I can't belive how many hunters still deer hunt with shot barrels,no sights? 30 inch full choke barrels with a bead sight. They do make slug barrles with sights or scope mounts. It should be in the rules & regs. slug barrel only..

I totally disagree. I hunted for many years with a regular shot barrel and they work perfectly fine as long as you practice and know your gun. A .270 is more accurate than a slug barrel shotgun but I don't believe it makes the sport any better - as a matter of fact - people will always push the limits of their guns and being able to take longer shots is not necessarily a good thing.

Big Muddy Outfitters
10-13-2009, 21:55
:cool::cool:I totally disagree. I hunted for many years with a regular shot barrel and they work perfectly fine as long as you practice and know your gun. A .270 is more accurate than a slug barrel shotgun but I don't believe it makes the sport any better - as a matter of fact - people will always push the limits of their guns and being able to take longer shots is not necessarily a good thing.

I bet you have a slug barrel now don't you? Back then thats all we had they didn't make to many slug barrels! Most hunters that use bird guns to hunt deer shoot at the deer like it's a bird!!

Debunk
10-13-2009, 22:15
Lafore - congrats on your successful deer hunt. Just wish you would have got a video for us to see.

Not to highjack this post so I started it in a new thread.
Deer Guns. (http://www.siloutdoors.com/showthread.php?p=111346#post111346)

Birdhunter1
10-14-2009, 00:21
Yup, another thread gone astray and run amock.

STEALTH
10-14-2009, 10:19
Aside from all the banter about ethical vs unethical. My brain hurts from trying decipher someone's spelling and punctuation. (or lack there of) Do they not teach that in schools anymore?????? Holy crap:(

kramer820
10-14-2009, 11:02
I was thinking the exact same thing. I believe it has something to do with the texting generation.

lifestudent55
10-14-2009, 13:48
Blue, I was just curious how you measured that 134 yards. Now I know I'm getting older and my eyesight isn't what it once was, but I still think that's a little farther than I want to be counting tines on antlers without a pair of binoculars.

LaFore
10-14-2009, 15:52
well i will tell you again i seen the 2 does jumped off the bigger one ran into the corn and this one ran into the bean and i but it up towards the lungs/ spine and moved it infront of the shoulder and shot when i seen its shoulder cuz i figured tht the bullet will drop in the air so dropping down to its heart and the deer woould be hit in the heart as the bullet landed and the deer ran foward while jumping